Retrofit a GM 215-464 Vapor Canister to a 2000 VW Eurovan (Winnebago Camper Model)
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Updated 2022-11-14 : Longer term results, and issues with California Smog test
Updated 2022-06-26 : First version.
Introduction
Part of the Eurovan's evaporative emissions system is a Charcoal Canister which serves as a buffer for gasoline fumes: while filling the tank, while the van is running, and also while the van is sitting. When running, the fumes stored in the canister are pulled out (via the N-80 solenoid/purge valve) and enter the intake manifold to be burned in normal operation.The Eurovan gas tank really does not like to be overfilled. When this happens, liquid gasoline gets into the evap canister and can cause the activated charcoal pellets to break down, which can clog the filters within the canister, resulting in poor performance of the evaporative emissions system. Common symptoms include:
- Difficulty filling the gas tank - automatic shutoff pumps keep tripping off, since there is nowhere for the fumes to go, the gasoline pump thinks the gas tank is full.
- The smell of gasoline fumes, either while the van is sitting, or when running.
- Some owners (myself included) have noticed the gasoline fumes are particularly bad when the air temperature is high, or when driving or parking at high altitudes (in my case, above 90F ambient temperatures and above 7000 feet elevation)
- Pressure buildup in the gas tank, which can be felt if you open the gas cap - a bunch of fumes come out rapidly.
Diagnosis
First, it's important to diagnose the problem correctly.- Similar symptoms can be caused by the N80 valve failing. The N80 valve is a $60 part and is very easy to swap out, so it may be a good first step regardless:
EVAP Canister Purge Valve 1997-2000 aka: Evaporative carbon canister vent valve - Bentley Ref N80 - The gas fumes could be coming from leaking injectors or injector hoses
- The gas fumes could be coming from another source, such as the connections to the gas tank itself
Different Approaches
If you are pretty sure it's the carbon canister... People have had a few different way of solving the canister issue:- Why not just replace the part?
As of 2022, this part is NLA (no longer available) new from any retailers, and I've also had no luck finding a used one. Hence, this webpage which is about how to retrofit a new canister.
Please note that this part is only for 1998-2000 Eurovans - earlier and later models use a different system.
- If you think your canister is full of liquid gasoline, but don't think the canister is actually damaged, you may be able to disconnect the input and output hoses from the canister (which you can do without removing the canister from the vehicle), and blow compressed air through it for a day or two until it dries out.
- Repair? If you feel like repairing your existing canister, please Visit my instructions for repairing the stock VW carbon canister.
6 month update / Smog Checks
I've had the GM part in place over 6 months, and my California Smog check was due. Here's what happened:- The local smog check place had seen the van before and is a nice guy. I asked him "will this pass"? He said that it would not pass visual inspection, but there is a referee process one could use to try to get approval. However, he's mostly seen people trying to get non OEM catalytic converters approved, and has never heard of anybody getting a non-OEM vapor canister approved. His opinion was that getting the referee to approve this modification would be difficult, because (A) it's a GM part and (B) it's in a different location than stock.
- He said that if I brought the van in with no OBD II faults and all readiness codes set, with the OEM canister installed, it would pass.
- I left the GM canister in place, zip tied the hoses up out of the way, and re-installed the VW canister. It took about 30 minutes to swap it.
- Back in stock condition, the van passed smog.
- I now have 2 years till the next smog check, so that gives some time to decide what to do next - perhaps some third party will start making these parts again? Perhaps not.
Retrofitting a GM Vapor Canister to a 2000 Eurovan
If you want to try retrofitting a brand new canister, please read further:Motivations - why retrofit the GM 215-464 ?
- The GM 215-464 is used across a large number of vehicles, and is one of the most common vapor canisters in the world. The part is cheap ($50 to $100), available from multiple sources, and should be available for a long time to come.
- It's a canister meant for a large vehicles (SUVs and pickup trucks) and has larger capacity than the stock VW canister.
- The form factor (rectangular) fits absolutely perfectly under the Eurovan.
- The mounting location under the van is well protected from heat and road debris.
Parts:
I purchased the vapor canister and hose clamps from Amazon; everything else I found at NAPA and my local True Value hardware store. Another good source to consider for certain parts (e.g. fuel hoses), is West Marine which has locations across the USA.- GM 215-464 Vapor Canister (Amazon). I bought a "genuine GM" part for about $100, but third-party knock-offs are available for about $50. Qty 1.
- 5/16" fuel line hose. From Amazon or from NAPA. Quantity: You will need 3 sections of 6 to 8 feet length, so just purchase a whole 25 foot spool.
- 5/8" fuel line hose. Amazon or from NAPA. Quantity: you only need about 6 inches (enough to make two 3 inch pieces)
- 5/8" to 3/8" nylon barb coupling. From Amazon - Note: I could not find these online, but my local True Value hardware store carried them. Quantity: 2,
- 1/2" to 3/8" right angle nylon barb coupling. Lasco.net - Note: I could not find these online, but my local True Value hardware store carried them. Quantity: 1.
- 3/4" Nylon clamp: Jandorf #61462 hardwareandtools.com - Note: I could not find these online, but my local True Value hardware store carried them. Quantity: 2 (one package of two).
- 1 1/8" Nylon clamp: Jandorf #61459 hardwareandtools.com - Note: I could not find these online, but my local True Value hardware store carried them. Quantity: 6 (three packages of two).
- 304 Stainless Steel DIY Do It Yourself Hose Clamp Kit Amazon.com. Qty: a single 12 foot package is sufficient.
- 1/2" (12mm) length stainless or galvanized screws Amazon.com. Qty: about 15. Note: I purchased these from my local True Value store.
- 3/4" (about 20mm) length M6 screw. Note: I installed a M6 RivNut, but you could probably just use a standard M6 size sheet metal screw or similar.
- Hose Clamps - small to medium Amazon.com. Qty: 6.
- Hose Clamps - large Amazon.com. Qty: 4. These are also easy to find at your local auto parts or hardware store
- Zip ties
Tools
Unusual tools:- 45 degree or 90 degree angled needle nose pliers: to easily remove the OEM bracket/shield over the existing canister.
- angle cutters or Dremel: to cut OEM hose clamps to free the snap connect fittings, which you will reuse
- (optional) Rivet Nut installer tool (such as Astro Pneumatic 1442): to provide a solid mounting point for the vapor canister.
- drill, small drill bit
- screwdriver
- knife (to cut tubing)
- jack, jack stands
- 19mm socket and breaker bar (to remove wheel lug bolts)
Step-by-Step:
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Remove the left wheel
Some of this could be done with the van on ramps, but it's much easier if you remove the wheel.- Apply parking brake, put the van in Park (and use wheel chocks if needed)
- Loosen the lug bolts with the van still on the ground
- Jack it up, remove the lug bolts, wheel, and put the van on several secure jack stands for safety
- You can now see the Canister and the Canister mounting strap
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Release the canister strap
- There is a single metal strip which holds the canister in place
- The trick to removing it is to use your angled needle nose pliers on the outside strap as shown.
- It's possible to remove the inner strap with a lot of bending and cursing, but it's so difficult that I strongly recommend you buy the $15 angled needle nose pliers, and save yourself an hour of grief.
Remove using angled needle nose pliers on the outside strap
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Detach the quick-release hoses
- There are two hoses with quick-release fittings
- Push the connector together, push the release tabs, then pull apart and it will release
- (later, you will have to cut the clamps so you can re-use these two connectors, but don't do that yet)
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Remove the VW Canister
- Caution: there is a Vent Hose bib connection on the top/back, so don't bend or wiggle it too much to avoid breaking the flange.
- instead pull the canister's top end straight away from the body to release
- the other two things, lower down, which look like hose connections, are not, rather they are simply mounting posts.
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Test the Canister
This is a good time to pause:- Are you sure you need to replace the canister?
- Test the canister - blowing air through the 3 connections, see if air is flowing freely or seems clogged.
- If all connections flow freely and you don't seem to have liquid gasoline in the canister, it may not need replacing and you could stop here.
- Maybe your N-80 valve is bad? An easy fix if so.
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Mounting Location for GM Canister
- the new canister will be mounted underneath the van, on the left side, aft of the gas tank and in front of the gray water tank
- this position works great on my van, which is a 2000 Eurovan Winnebago Camper. I'm not sure if this will fit on the Weekender or MV models, which are shorter.
Mounting location, left side, between fuel tank and gray water tank.
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Drill Hole for M6 RivNut
- The canister has one big mounting bracket. You need to drill a good size hole for this.
- I installed a M6 size Rivet Nut, but you could probably just drill a hole for a regular metal screw instead
- Drill on the peak (not the valley) of the corrugated metal
- Don't drill too deep: you have about 1/2" (12mm) of depth to work with. If you go deeper, you will pop through the floor into the interior
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Location to drill larger hole
If you drill all the way through, this shows where the hole will be in the interior of the van.
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Drill Six holes for the stainless steel strapping
- Drill 6 holes (3 for each stainless steel strap)
- Drill the center hole for each strap first -- you will need to drill through the strap itself
- Then screw the center strap to the body, using 1/2" length stainless (or galvanized) screws
- Once the center is fastened, drill the 2 outboard holes: again, drill through the strap.
- Drill on the peaks (not the valleys) of the corrugated metal
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Mount the stainless straps
- Follow the instructions in the DIY package of stainless straps.
- it helps to bend the straps flat with nice 90 degree angles to fit the canister.
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Mount the GM 215-464 Canister, install hoses
- Mount the canister securely first, before adding the hoses
- The two large connections (Tank and Vent) each get a 3" piece of 5/8" hose, with a Lasco 19-9533 5/8" to 3/8" nylon barb adapter
- The small connection doesn't require an adapter, you can connect the 5/16" fuel hose directly
- Fit note: the eurovan uses 8mm (about 5/16") and 6mm (about 1/4") fuel hoses, but I found that I could use 5/16" hoses for both. The 5/16" fuel hose is fairly tight on the 3/8" connectors, so you may want to lubricate or stretch the hose to ease it on.
- Hose length: the three 5/16" hoses will be about 6 to 8 feet long. I first connected the hoses to the canister, then routed them, then cut to length as needed.
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Route the hoses
- route hoses around the back of the fuel tank...
- then forward, between the left side of the fuel tank and the van body
- secure using the Jandorf #61459 1 1/8" hose clamp
- (not shown) add some more zip ties to tidy it up
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Connect all 3 hoses
- the vent hose uses the Lasco 19-9605 right-angle 3/8" to 1/2" nylon barb adapter
- secure the vent hose using two of the Jandorf #61462 3/8 inch nylon clamps as shown
- the Tank and Purge hoses will re-use the connectors from the old VW Canister
- the larger hose (8mm) connects to the Tank connector on the GM canister
- the smaller hose (6mm) connects to the Purge connector
- Fit note: the 2 hoses run near the frame/jack point - you should locate them and secure with Zip Ties so they are not hanging down in the way.
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OBD II diagnostics
If you are in a hurry to clear your OBD2 codes, you can test drive doing the OBD2 Eurovan Drive Cycle -
To Dos
- After driving the van for 100 miles, I found some of the hose clamps needed tightening. Be sure to check this.
- With the new mounting location, the canister itself is more protected than the stock canister. However, the 3 hoses are a bit exposed now to road debris or a tire blowout. It might be good to fashion some sort of shield behind the left tire to protect these parts.
Final Thoughts
- After retrofitting the canister, all of my OBD2 error codes cleared, and I have full ODB2 readiness.
- I've driven about 1000 miles with this retrofit, and it works great in almost all conditions.
- I did have one exception: a ridiculously hot & high trip (105F going up to 7500') where I did have some gas fumes when stopping. However, the amount of fumes was much less than with the stock OEM canister. I'm not sure if I have a leaking connection or the tank pressure was just too high. It's not an easy condition to reproduce, and it only happened once.
- See above for my issues passing California Smog check.